hi i'm max foster this is the kaiser report the global stratification amongst classes various groups continues now in the u.k. we've got lovise versus toffs stacey well in my first headline max i have this academic arrested after polite graffiti is found on cars rather than the usual swear words tags and rude pictures max and academic has apparently been putting graffiti on posh cars and his neighborhood reading really wrong arbitrary very silly he's inscribed these with

a screwdriver in their cars oh lovely your use b.m.w. in my neighborhood is really wrong with a screwdriver you know scratched into this then of course and we see this in france of course there's a big emphasis on grammar you know when they're committing this kind of lobby on top then the lows on that have to grammar has to be good of course this made me think of the g.o.p. convention where we see there's such a thing as polite rape and impose rape so we have the tea party which the libertarian think tank cato which was founded by murray rothbart and the cook one of the koch brothers they have declared that the tea party is libertarian at its core when you say cato you know referring to the pink panther sidekick ok so here's a headline from this libertarian at it's core group. tea bagging for the military industrial complex so tea party nation leader judson phillips told the economist

magazine max he said if we decide to build a couple of new carriers aircraft carriers thousands of workers would be hired for the shipyards thousands of employees would be hired for the steel mills it means they would receive paychecks and go out and spend that money so we should use this sort of government spending we should expand the military and this is a good kind of big government a good kind of government spend not that bad stuff over there for social welfare services and food stamps and health care or exploration of mars or landing on the moon landing of course generated the technological interest in the interest in science which resulted in giving us things like microsoft apple oracle you know the s. and p. five hundred move for the past twenty years but that's bad government you don't want the government involved in initiating any gun of scientific endeavors or infrastructure or anything like that you want government to be purely in the

business of procuring weapons of mass destruction and perpetrating war around the world because what it's the easiest way to make a quick buck there's nothing easier as i said on the show many times in a war in the prison business was america into now war in prisons has got the highest incarceration rate the world the us was the fastest growing industry in the u.s. corrections core of america in the prison business was all the legal barriers to our democracy being shattered in town after town in america because all the loonies from the president is taking on those governments and arresting mabel and throwing them into the for profit prisons the tea party travels around america holding and giant rallies saying we need a small government small government all their website say we need small government small government small government and yet fifty percent of us taxpayer dollars up to fifty percent if you include all the black ops and the health care for the veterans my. thanks beck that takes a fifty percent of all tax revenue so they somehow think that you could apply that

to and put them into one concept together oh you mean economics oh no the tea party doesn't consider economics the fact that all this money you spend the borrow the trillions to invade iraq and afghanistan and syria and then the trillions of spending on the taking care of the permanent brain damage to come back from these wars those that's all off balance sheet that doesn't actually an item that we have to worry about as part of that fifteen sixteen twenty twenty five trillion dollars worth of debt that simply exists in a magical place called candy land where it's never have to be paid off and that's what we're really arguing about here when the tea party is battling occupy wall street to were some liberal group it's all about just splitting up the money for their own special interest just because it's your special interest and you really really care about it it doesn't mean it's not government spend this special interest welfare bums the are the military they get money because they're special interest is to explode

a lot objects that drown out the sound of everyone else looking to participate in some kind of communal governmental experiment called a country but because they have the the boom boom sticks and the loud bombs and they drown out everyone else's voice you know there's an old saying the squeaky wheel gets the oil you know there's the squeaky wheel of the pentagon gets all this free money to go out there and economically destroy itself as a suicide bankers do or the country at large and don't forget all the millions of innocent civilians they murder for fun and profit. and now justin phillips finishes up his statement saying the military the u.s. military is a better investment than say spending money on teaching chinese prostitutes how to drink responsibly i question the. wm mean if you teach those chinese prostitutes how to drink responsibly they too could run for congress in america. and now a headline on the same topic so at the g.o.p.

convention the enemy within so the tea party held a tribute to the military and the journalists here was observing that every speaker wanted more war not less bloody or simple war just because they're lazy because they don't want to work for a living bain capital is a way not to work for a living it's a way to strip companies with debt and employ debt and increase debt you don't want to actually work for a living you want to parade around on stage and you know put some pastries on your just and put them around in opposite directions and pretend you have some significance in this world other than the fact that you're a rotting no good leverage by the google and look at the two billionaires behind this tea party sort of movement you have the koch brothers who profit from the higher oil prices and energy prices then you have sheldon adelson who this whole war sort of mentality benefits sheldon adelson because most of his income comes from china and if. the g.o.p. platform has now announced basically that when they get and they're going to decree

that china is a currency manipulator so the un he thinks will rise his income will go up so it's all about you could make graffiti polite but it's still graffiti you could say you're about freedom and liberty and all this other stuff when it's really just about destroying your competition getting monopoly powers and so forth crime so sheldon adelson of course you've mentioned his income comes from casinos to chinese casino so he knows a thing or two about chinese prostitutes and yeah they could run for congress and he's down there at the r. and c. in florida hobnobbing with everyone else who wants to get better there is johnny's prostitutes and that's the entire point of the entire convention was how best to get better johnny's prostitutes in ten easy lessons invision by clint eastwood that's what i do all my takeaway from the whole event was speaking of clint eastwood g.o.p. platform the war on drugs and the war on terror have become a single enterprise this was item number seventeen on the g.o.p.

platform so they've now admitted that their war on terror and the war on drugs are single enterprise and i thought of the empty chair syndrome when they said mexicans bear are bearing the brunt of drug cartels savage assault and that's why we need to spend more to go protect them from our we're fake war on drugs and now war on terror they're like speaking to an empty chair of mexicans who want somebody made the point recently and i think other than the chinese prostitute point. is valid that the u.k. chinese addicted to opium and then they outlawed it and then it became a huge gang warfare here you've got the u.s. using mexico to recycle money and drugs to get americans addicted to mexican drugs so it's very similar situation you have the same group that toph's in britain who are controlling the world at that time you have this. same kind of toff that you

know of the global economy using a whole country mexico in their supply of tons and tons of cocaine into america and recycling through what covielle which is now was fargo or through a just b.c. or barclays implicated in huge multi hundred billion dollar money laundering scandals to usurp these countries and essentially to appease their inner need as we saw at the g.o.p. convention to hobnob and rub elbows with chinese prostitutes the tea party people were freaking out here you ask that you ask what do you love small government yes we do so that's the proof item number seventeen look no further they are dupes for a giant government scam but according the culprit there is the phrase we the people is a communist plot because it is the world we anyone in america who is harping on this government is too big theme is a self hating american in other words america was invented with the idea of we the

people what what what about the war we are the koch brothers confused about well in fact the g.o.p. party platform says we have to return to the constitution but this is totalitarianism when they want to go back to race history right in their own words and say look that's our history they want to just completely rewrite the constitution and replace we the people with brother and then finally you know they of course nominated mitt romney the federal bailout that saved mitt romney government document proves the candidate's mythology is just that so mitt romney is running on this myth that he saved bain and company which was the consulting side of bain capital which is the leveraged buyout firm. we only have a few seconds left so what i'm going to say is basically rolling stone through freedom of information request found documents that prove that in fact he mitt

romney is responsible for shifting to at least ten million dollars to the taxpayer through the f.d.i.c which owned one of the banks that was basically stiffed by bain and company and he stiffed them by a poison pill threatening to blow up his company when the f.b.i. c. went to bain and company they found that they only had an h.p. printer and that was their only assets that the f.d.i.c would inherit if they actually didn't agree to basically write down ten million dollars in debt baiting to the f.d.i.c the federal deposit insurance company the one i mean that's all j.p. morgan is they have a negative that one of the hundreds of billions of dollars it's all the federal reserve and all the awful about auditing the federal reserve is that when they open the vault to say oh where is our money they're going to find a printer when they open up for much the same words or gold are going to find a printer over there lloyd blankfein j.p. morgan's last goldman sachs one of the vaults only i was a printer these two big nothing but a printer it's amazing that the company that makes printers sula perkins doing so

poorly considering the only thing that any of these companies competence was a printer. stays ever thank so much for being on the guy's report thank you rex don't go and stay right there much more coming. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. the war. in.

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welcome back to the kaiser report i'm max kaiser time not going to niceville florida talk with karl denninger of market ticker dot org due to popular demand

we've invited carl back on to finish our last conversation ended which was on the topic of libertarianism karl denninger welcome back to the kaiser report thank you max ok now you wrote on your blog recently karl the unmourned victims are banks or politics so let's start with your thoughts for example on offshoring tell us about why this so-called free trade is not in fact genuine libertarian policy problem with offshoring as it is practiced. as is often asserted a function of free markets. oh are we are not talking about a corporation that chooses to take its labor offshore because the people there are smarter are willing to work harder and therefore produce a superior product at a better price if that was the case that would be capitalism but that's not what's going on instead we have companies that offshore their labor because they can

enlist their governments in what amounts to corrigan so we have for example cases where people's agrarian way of life is literally destroyed by their total taylor told how tarion government coming into bulldozing their fields paving over their areas and then say oh by the way here's a place bright new fresh effort you can go work in and the alternative if you don't want to do that is that you start the other problem that you have with in this so-called offshoring movement is that so much of what is going on especially in a high tech area where you're building integrated circuits and things like that this is disease process is inherently are fairly disruptive to the environment the products that are put together in the high tech area use a lot of very noxious chemicals and it's expensive to dispose of those properly but if you go over to china and some of these other third world countries their

government doesn't really chair and so what ends up happening is that instead of paying the costs to properly dispose of the by products of these manufacturing processes these companies simply throw the stuff away and poison the land air and water and of course who will go along with that is the people of this too is not capitalism it is not libertarian thought either because the premise of libertarianism is that you may do whatever you like because long as you don't harm anybody else so is there is a little bit of a disconnect here between the concept of being a libertarian and the concept of free trade where the harm just have. and so or words out of your vision it is my assertion that if you inflict harm on another person whether it happens here in the united states or whether it happens in so you know for a warm place in china the fact of the matter is the core question is coersion it if i'm poisoning the land or in water that i'm not engaged in something that could be

considered literature right now karl it as you describe it libertarianism you've got a as a find let's say in the u.s. with the constitution as the arbiter of legal boundaries eve got a group of folks that are pursuing profits in a capitalist system and the distribution of resources visa v the market visa v. capitalism is a proper ball over let's say the government getting into the business of distribution what happens when somebody doesn't offshoring campaign a company is offshoring or they are involved in massive pollution as you described it that they'll typically come back and say well that's what the market is that that's the market that they and then did the market becomes a catch all phrase where it justifies everything mr market kind of justifies this behavior it seems to be no discussion about what makes

a market really just falls into something called the market so that how do you differentiate between let's say an actual all market of of that that supports a libertarian view of that as you are describing it versus just a catchall phrase that seems to a lot of junk seems to go in and is just incorporated in this concept that that question kind of i hope it makes sense in your thoughts and if it does. you know the libertarian party are free if you actually look at the governing documents in. and the foundation of principle behind it the libertarian party likes to call itself the party crystal ball and the founding principle behind a libertarian party is what's called a non-aggression principle and what their principle states and by the way it's the only political party that requires that you take an oath to join you are required to swear or affirm that you do not believe in the initiation of force to obtain

political or social goals well initiation of force is pretty clear if i hold you down and beat you with a stick i've obviously initiated force if i pollute the land and water that you that you live upon with about your permission and nobody in their right mind would grant that of course then i have initiated force so what the libertarians that are running for office seem to have some problems and the party seems to have some problems in general with some of its policies is dead it talks a really nice game about to being the party of principle but when you get down to it the difficulty is that you have to apply this principle evenly otherwise you're just talking up all sides your mouth so what i assert is that if you're going to claim to be a libertarian you're going to run as a libertarian you're going to be a libertarian then you have to take the position that initiation of force is wrong and that means that if the purpose of your offshoring is to have bill yourself

effectively slave labor or a place to manufacture your products where you can poison the air or land and water without recompense then you're not a libertarian at all you're jack booted statist you're just trying to find somewhere where nobody sees what you're doing you know that it's an interesting concept that people were raised that well this raises the standard of living for the people that are doing you know that are doing the labor because they were gathering rice and rice paddies before this this shiny new factory showed up and my retort to that is that you could also make the argument that the slaves that were brought over from africa or were living in straw huts and after they were brought. for america they were living in houses now they may not have been you know to their labor was coerced and forced but nonetheless you could make the argument that hey look that's a real rough it's got you know that house has all it's not made out of straw the fact that somebody has gotten a better standard of living in some measurable way however does not change the fact that the choose the set of circumstances under which they currently labor and so

there's libertarians we have to i believe we have to look at this from a different point of view which is that the situation provide united states with the means to redress this that's tariffs we don't want to talk about that because we say well that's the government interfering in this but the fact of the matter is is that if government has a right to exist at all there's a purpose behind it is to arbitrate disputes and to take redress of action when somebody is aggressive and so if i rob you the reason that we have a government is the so it's already can call or say what you wrote this person to jail right so what you're describing there is you're saying this current crop of so-called libertarians they found to account for these extra analyses in terms of the pollution that they're generating there mischaracterizing their true motives behind offshoring and that let's look at the financial industry and then your

thought about coercion and use of force as it relates to the financial industry because most people equate the financial industry as being quote victimless that there is it's just paper moving around there's no crimes attached to it there would be no cocoa coersion attached to it your thoughts carro. well it's absolute nonsense max the fact of the matter is rio look at the library scandal for example there's been people who've said well you know for every winner that was a loser if you if you got over charge somebody else got will own money at a at a lower rate and i will simply observe that i can make the same argument for auto theft if i steal your car there are still the same number of cars that exist in the world i may have it in you no longer do this doesn't change the fact that what i did was course if you didn't consent to me taking your view. there's there's very little argument to be made here i believe within the libertarian perspective that fraud which is the intentional misrepresentation of something for your benefit and

somebody else's dr a bit it does not fall within the mandate that says you must not aggressed against up or it's all right so if we've got this dynamic set up here between the libertarianism they tend to focus on government versus markets now let's look at the government side of things of course that would include what regulation in a government does regulation so. there's a lot of there was a move to get rid of glass steagall of course under sandy weill citi bank as part of this move to deregulate then we had the brooklyn born reported refusing to regulate fraud in the derivatives market you know she had that isn't it with alan greenspan and robert rubin and so there has been under the so-called libertarian flag a move to deregulate because of their interpretation of the government that is being interfering with your thoughts well again hard i would argue that that is pure nonsense and that you've got some people that are trying to use the libertarian banner it as

a cover for yet more theft this time by the financial industry the fact of the matter there is that the creation of unbacked credit within the financial system that is the giving of credit with no collateral wind is nothing other than counterfeiting. if you look at it from a mathematical perspective that's exactly what you have you have ten thousand units of production and ten thousand units of credit currency in one unit of one by one you know to the other if you can met make another ten thousand units of credit currency here then you have stopped all in value from all of the people who currently held credit in currency because now one unit of production requires two units of credit or currency to buy it so if we're going to claim that we're going to we're libertarians then we have to take the position that the deregulation that we are speaking of year that needs to be enforced is the most not counterfeit because if it is something that we should prohibit that i cannot write off hundred

dollar bills of my office copier i don't see why it's any different if the banking industry turns around and issues a bunch of on back credit but the exact same impact in the markets is if i ran off those hundred dollar bills all right so talking to have just said let's look at a current example you've got mitt romney he's the republican nominee for president his business model i wouldn't over a bank capital essentially leveraged buyouts private equity loan companies up with debt extracting equity going on as part of that whole financialization of the economy on wall street a what as he built wealth and see a libertarian. well he's definitely not a libertarian i don't begrudge anybody who takes their own capital or other capital from people and turns around and uses that as a means to require businesses that are in trouble fix them and then sell them back into the market and once you fix them if you've done a good job there they have a greater value than they had before and therefore you make

a profit. that that's capitalism there's nothing wrong with it there is something over very wrong with using leveraged buyouts where the credit that's created came out of nothing comes from thin air because then what you're doing is you're using the counterfeiting of the banking system to extract a piece of the value that is with net company and whether you grew the value within the company and the process is known or turtle it's where did you get the so-called capital did the capital actually exist or did you just invent it with the help of the banks thirds and what we've seen all too often is that the latter is is the case that we have and in many cases where not only that we have that coupled with the offshoring at the same time where these companies are taken over the labor is off shored for the explicit purpose of getting access to central slavery and evasion of environmental regulations and so that's where the so-called value add comes from is that we take what we're structures on the pollution of air land and

water and say oh well you know we can take ten million dollars a year out of the production cost of this facility if we're allowed to pollute but we can't do that in the united states so what with the plant china i don't see is capitalism or libertarianism at all they're not all right karl that is around in time thanks for being on the kaiser report. thank you all right not going to do it for this edition of the kaiser report with me max kaiser and stacy herbert our fact my guess karl denninger of market hyphen ticker dot org if want to send me an e-mail please do so at kaiser reported r t t v dot are you tonight.